Sep 8, 2004 13:27
19 yrs ago
Russian term
United Kingdom
российский vs. русский
Russian to English
Social Sciences
Education / Pedagogy
Контекст:
"И патриотизм, который они хотят воспитывать в детях – не российский, а русский."
Как лучше передать по-английски различие?
"И патриотизм, который они хотят воспитывать в детях – не российский, а русский."
Как лучше передать по-английски различие?
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Yuri Geifman
Canada
Canada
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English
Works in field
Canada
Taking pride in my work
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, English
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Ukrainian to English, and 1 more.
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chauvinism might be in order
If you want a definite negative connotation, that is...
And the patriotsim they wish to instill in their children is more akin to Russian chauvinism than love of the Russian homeland.
I even thought of mentioning xenophobia, but that might be a bit too strong.
Just an idea...
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Note added at 8 hrs 53 mins (2004-09-08 22:21:13 GMT)
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I read Konstantin\'s suggestion just now... sorry if mine sounds a bit like plagiarism.
And the patriotsim they wish to instill in their children is more akin to Russian chauvinism than love of the Russian homeland.
I even thought of mentioning xenophobia, but that might be a bit too strong.
Just an idea...
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Note added at 8 hrs 53 mins (2004-09-08 22:21:13 GMT)
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I read Konstantin\'s suggestion just now... sorry if mine sounds a bit like plagiarism.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Большое спасибо всем!"
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the Russian Federation patriotism vs russian nationality patriotism
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Peer comment(s):
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Alexander Demyanov
: Nationality is a tricky word. In many, if not most, contexts it means citizenship
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agreed. ethnicity is better
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protolmach
: with Alexander
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agree
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Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Translator since 1953
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
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Russian state vs. Russian people
There isn't really any equivalent in English of course, so we have to imrpovise something. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that российский is used in connection with Russia as a state, an empire, etc., and русский with Russian as applied to Russian people, Russian culture, Rusian landscape...
I probably shouldn't even be trying to answer this question; native Russians probably have a better idea of the distinction between the two words than I have.
I probably shouldn't even be trying to answer this question; native Russians probably have a better idea of the distinction between the two words than I have.
Peer comment(s):
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danya
: i think you grasped the idea right
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Thank you.
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Mikhail Kropotov
: correct. now how to come up with the right wording in English
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I think Konstantin Kisin's version is pretty good in the context.
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Alexander Demyanov
: "Russian people" encompasses all the ethnicities of the Russian Federation.
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Alexander Demyanov
Native in Russian
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Software Engineering background
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rather for the Russian ethnicity than for the Russian state
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If you can flex out from the original a little, i.e. convey the concept in your own words, you may say something like (wide open for style editing):
And the patriotism they try to nurture in their children seems to have of Russian ethnic pride than of genuine Russian national patriotism.
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Note added at 29 mins (2004-09-08 13:56:51 GMT)
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If you can flex out from the original a little, i.e. convey the concept in your own words, you may say something like (wide open for style editing):
And the patriotism they try to nurture in their children seems to have of Russian ethnic pride than of genuine Russian national patriotism.
Peer comment(s):
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Konstantin Kisin
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Thank you.
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kramar
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Thank you.
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protolmach
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Thank you.
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Nik-On/Off
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Thank you.
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Mikhail Kropotov
: i almost like it. i would only stray from using "Russian" twice for explaining both concepts - the distinction is clearer that way
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Thank you. May be. However, in English it's very common to repeat qualifiers for clarity.
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Elizabeth Adams
: I like it. But I would say "more akin to" rather than "to have of" and drop the second "Russian."
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Thank you. Like I said, wide open to style editing.
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mk_lab
: I'd like to say "Russia state"
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Thank you.
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Janina Nowrot
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Thank you.
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Alexandra Tussing
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Thank you.
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Konstantin Kisin
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in Russian
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English
United Kingdom
Bilingual Finance, Law & Business Pro
Native in: English , Russian
Works in: Russian to English, English, English to Russian
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Given the additional note...
As before, if you are flexible I would suggest something along the lines of:
The patriotism they try to develop/encourage in children is more akin to ethnical discrimination than to the love of one's country/for Russia/for one's Motherland.
If you are not flexible...hrm :)
As before, if you are flexible I would suggest something along the lines of:
The patriotism they try to develop/encourage in children is more akin to ethnical discrimination than to the love of one's country/for Russia/for one's Motherland.
If you are not flexible...hrm :)
Peer comment(s):
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danya
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Jack Doughty
: but ethnic, not ethnical.
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thanks for correction Jack, you are right of course!
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Mikhail Kropotov
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Elizabeth Adams
: I like this one too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "ethnic discrimination" unless I saw the context
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Alexandra Tussing
: discrimination may be going too far
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Russia vs. russian
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