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Should askers who find their answer elsewhere be "pushed" to share their findings? Thread poster: tradu-grace
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tradu-grace 
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Hi again Natalie,
I so share your suggestion to sort out the issue. Compliments.
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| No closing of open question without valid answer | Jul 18, 2010 |
I agree with Natalie, the system should not permit the question to be closed without an answer -- and it should be the one that prompted the asker to stop looking!
Otherwise it is like giving the opening line of a good joke, but then you never get to hear the punch line.
Or like waiting for a sneeze that never happens.
We all hate that.
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tradu-grace
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Hi John,
many thanks for your comment!!!
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Klementina Shahini
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| Agree - No closing of open question without valid answer | Jul 19, 2010 |
I agree with Natalie and everybody else that previously agreed with her too - the system should not permit the question to be closed without an answer. I have been in both sides. One time I closed the question without an answer because the only answer that was given to me was not the one I was looking for. I e-mailed the person that took the time to help me and after a big thank you to her I gave her all the explanation why her answer was not the right one.
On the other hand I ... See more I agree with Natalie and everybody else that previously agreed with her too - the system should not permit the question to be closed without an answer. I have been in both sides. One time I closed the question without an answer because the only answer that was given to me was not the one I was looking for. I e-mailed the person that took the time to help me and after a big thank you to her I gave her all the explanation why her answer was not the right one.
On the other hand I had a situation that the question was closed without an answer and one of the answers was mine.Three days later the same material was given to me for proofreading and my answer was used in the translation. Surprisingly, no kudoZ were rewarded. ▲ Collapse
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tradu-grace
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Hi Klemi.
First of all, thanks for sharing with us your experience.
What occured to you is surprising and somehow "weird".
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| I post a comment | Jul 19, 2010 |
Natalie wrote:
I would suggest the following: when the asker chooses the option of closing his/her answer with the reason "answer found elsewhere", s/he should be prompted to enter this answer that has been found elsewhere. Otherwise the system should not allow to close the answer.
Natalia
I a gree too!
While I have been a moderator, I have posted a polite moderator comment every time it happened in "my" pairs, and added that it might be a valuable contribution to the glossary.
At least everyone else can see it and bear in mind that it is etiquette.
But it doesn't get a lot of immediate results.
I would never delete a polite request for an answer if anyone else added it in the discussion box.
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| Share the "answer found elsewhere" only if there are other answers | Jul 19, 2010 |
I think askers should be forced to share their finding only if others bothered to answer, even if "unsuccessfully".
Not sure if this is where I should post this suggestion: speaking of kudoz, I think potential askers should be prevented from posting a kudoz question about the same term and in the same language pair. At least in one of my pairs, some questions have been asked (same context, same term, same meaning) up to 3 times. Of course, there are questions saved with incorrect an... See more I think askers should be forced to share their finding only if others bothered to answer, even if "unsuccessfully".
Not sure if this is where I should post this suggestion: speaking of kudoz, I think potential askers should be prevented from posting a kudoz question about the same term and in the same language pair. At least in one of my pairs, some questions have been asked (same context, same term, same meaning) up to 3 times. Of course, there are questions saved with incorrect answers, but in this case, askers should be prompted to mark "term x (in this context)" or something. If the question was already answered, the potential answerers will post that kudoz link as a reference, but shouldn't the asker make this effort?
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Samuel Murray
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| I agree somewhat | Jul 19, 2010 |
tradugrace wrote:
Some askers do not grade answers stating they have found the solution elsewhere. In my opinion, as just few of them do, they should be "pushed" to share their findings with the whole proz community.
Well, they don't need to be pushed, but they should be given the opportunity. I just closed one of my own questions and although i was given the option to say "found answer elsewhere" I was not given the opportunity to say what that answer was. If I had that opportunity, I would have gladly shared it with the answerers.
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mimi 254
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| agree with Natalie | Jul 19, 2010 |
It is sometimes frustrating to see that after spending time to research, a question is closed and you don't even know the answer he/she found elsewhere which i believe could be of great help to the entire community.
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mimi 254
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Hi Neilmac
I don't see why one should be embarassed for posting a question and the second after finding the answer. There are moments like that and it should not be cause for embarassment.
On the other hand, viewing non-native translators in your pair as unfair competition and not wishing to share your knowledge is xxxfold unfair giving that you are keen to request and rececive help from ANYBODY including the non-native of your pair and this I believe is not the ... See more Hi Neilmac
I don't see why one should be embarassed for posting a question and the second after finding the answer. There are moments like that and it should not be cause for embarassment.
On the other hand, viewing non-native translators in your pair as unfair competition and not wishing to share your knowledge is xxxfold unfair giving that you are keen to request and rececive help from ANYBODY including the non-native of your pair and this I believe is not the raison d'être of Proz.com ▲ Collapse
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Andrea Riffo
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I'm definitely against even more policing.
I do not think that people should be "pushed" to do anything.
I definitly object the "penalty" proposal.
And I don't think that "Proz platform should be considered as a site where know-how, languages' knowledge might be shared with one another." It certainly is one very valid opinion, but others consider it merely a business and that's also valid.
Basically, I agree with Samuel. Sh... See more I'm definitely against even more policing.
I do not think that people should be "pushed" to do anything.
I definitly object the "penalty" proposal.
And I don't think that "Proz platform should be considered as a site where know-how, languages' knowledge might be shared with one another." It certainly is one very valid opinion, but others consider it merely a business and that's also valid.
Basically, I agree with Samuel. Should askers be given the opportunity to specify what they found? Definitely. Forced to do it? No.
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tradu-grace
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TOPIC STARTER | to Samuel Murray | Jul 19, 2010 |
Hi Samuel,
from my point of view, your proposal is great!!! Compliments
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tradu-grace
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Hi Ariffo,
I understand your disagree but if you have time and are willing to see Samuel Murray
proposal, I would very much appreciate it.
His proposal is great as I wrote.
However, my term "pushed" was just in the sense of encourage askers in question
to share the terminology they found.
We, certainly see proz platform from a different perspective.
Thanks anyway for your opinion and participation to this forum.
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| I couldn't agree more | Jul 20, 2010 |
Natalie wrote:
I would suggest the following: when the asker chooses the option of closing his/her answer with the reason "answer found elsewhere", s/he should be prompted to enter this answer that has been found elsewhere. Otherwise the system should not allow to close the answer.
Natalia
It would be great solution for two reasons:
- respect to people who made the effort to reply - there is no obligation to choose their answers but providing the chosen answer would at least partly explain why such answers were not chosen
- convenience of everyone searching for terms on this site - it's very likely that after a while someone else is going to search for the same word/phrase and such information from the asker would be valuable
Best Regards
Stanislaw
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tradu-grace
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TOPIC STARTER | ti Stanislaw | Jul 20, 2010 |
Hi to you,
thanks for your comment.
Another important reason is the following:
proz building the specialized Glossary term : GBK
Best to you,
Regards
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