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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

withdrawal

Spanish translation:

de la retirada de la metadona de la retirada (de la metadona)

Added to glossary by eski
Jul 11, 2011 17:55
12 yrs ago
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English term

withdrawal

English to Spanish Art/Literary Medical (general)
Mil gracias

Some examples of grounds for involuntary termination from the Program and withdrawal off methadone are but not limited to the following:
Algunos ejemplos de motivos de la terminación no voluntaria de la participación del paciente en el programa y de la retirada de la metadona son, pero no se limitan a, los siguientes:
Proposed translations (Spanish)
4 +4 de la retirada de la metadona de la retirada (de la metadona)
4 +2 abandono
4 +1 sindome de abstinencia
4 +1 suspensión
4 interrupción
References
Methadone withdrawal
Change log

Jul 25, 2011 18:07: eski Created KOG entry

Jul 25, 2011 18:07: eski changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/819772">eski's</a> old entry - "withdrawal "" to ""de la retirada de la metadona de la retirada (de la metadona)""

Discussion

moken Jul 13, 2011:
Michelle, Liz & CG. CG: Agree with you on 'termination from'. That aside, I'm sure that what you say makes sense because it always does, but I don't quite get it. Perhaps it's me who's got the wrong end of the stick. Hopefully, the rest of the context will provide sagitario with enough info to draw the right conclusions. Liz; cg said that retirada would not be used in Argentina. That might be the reason your answer to a previous KudoZ wasn't considered. Finally, Michelle - I regretted the choice of term 'obviously' the moment I posted that comment! :D On another note, I fully agree about the variations you mention. An example: Where I live now, 'Bueno' is a standard (informal) way of saying goodbye. It's not even used in all of Tenerife. In Spain 'bueno' can take on a whole range of meanings, including 'Well...', 'Good' or even 'Suit yourself'. Until I got used to it, I'd either hang around waiting for people to finish their sentences, feel that they were relieved to see me go or that they might think I was being rude by leaving before they were done. I'm used to it now, and sometimes use it with my 'mainland' friends, probably causing the same range of perplexity! :D :D
Cecilia Gowar Jul 13, 2011:
"Termination from" sounds definitely awkward to me. It should be "program termination" or "termination of".
As for "withdrawal off", it is indeed used, and it refers to the withdrawal from a drug. So I do not believe it is referring to the fact that the program is not providing the drug anymore, but to the withdrawal process.
The chosen word in Spanish will also depend on the public. In Argentina, for instance, we would never use “retirada”.
Michelle Wolfson Jul 12, 2011:
Off/Off of Oh, I definitely think it's informal too! But it is how a lot of people speak (in the U.S.), so of course we're going to come across it in our work.

So in this project, although it deals with medical information, the content is written in an informal manner for a general audience.

My goal was to point out that it wasn't a typo and to explore variations in meaning. It's interesting because I've lived in three different states and met people from all over the country and world, and all the subtle variations in expressions are numerous and quite fascinating.
moken Jul 12, 2011:
Regional usage Hi Liz. I'd have said 'from' too, but I think it's very much a case of AmE v BrE. Brits very rarely use the 'off of' structure which is quite common in the States and is often reduced to 'off'. It sounds fairly informal to my ears, but obviously not to Michelle's.
liz askew Jul 12, 2011:
Personally I think using "off" is poor English, and "from" would be better.
Michelle Wolfson Jul 12, 2011:
Comment about off vs. of / semantics The original sentence is indeed correct. "Withdrawal off methadone" is the same thing as "withdrawal off of methadone" (but not "withdrawal of").

In other words, to get off (off of) medadone.

In other contexts one might say "withdrawal from (a drug)".
Saying "withdrawal of" would have the meaning of "removal of".
moken Jul 11, 2011:
Mike, yes it can Mike, yes, sudden withdrawal from methadone can cause 'cold turkey' - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone#Withdrawal_symptoms - but that isn't what is meant here imo. I'm not sure I made myself clear before, but let me try again. Putting the whole thing in very oversimplified language, I understand the text as saying: "These are the reasons for which we could take you off the program and take your methadone away" but not "These are the reasons for which we could take you off the program and give you cold turkey", because I think that to say the latter would be simply unacceptable. :O)
Michael Powers (PhD) Jul 11, 2011:
Stopping methadone cold turkey I have a questions. Can patients stop taking methadone cold turkey? Or in the course of treatment for heroine, etc., do these patients develop a tendency to methadone and then have to be weened off. If so, my answer makes sense. If not, my answer does not make sense.

I will wait for someone that knows more about the potential adiction to methadone (like in the case of suboxon) to tell me the answer.

Thanks
Sam Cogdell Jul 11, 2011:
Agree with NinaEF and moken--this seems to refer to the methadone regimen being interrupted as part of the consequences of being expelled or suspended from the program. It was an unfortunate choice of words in the original text to use a phrase that could lead to possible ambiguity.
Michael Powers (PhD) Jul 11, 2011:
Question: Is methadone similar to suboxon? I know that another medication used to help addicts ween off of certain drugs is common, and quite often the patients develop a dependency on suboxon. Do patients also develop a dependency on methadone? Is it similar in that sense? Is it easy for them to stop cold turkey and not be weened off methadone? I know in the case of suboxon, patients need to be weened off it and it can take up to one or two years depending on a variety of factors.
moken Jul 11, 2011:
Not syndrome Hi Mike & thanks for the undeserved compliments ;O). Regarding the source, imo withdrawal (from/off a medication) and withdrawal syndrome are two different things. Methadone treatment programs are actually part of a strategy to help patients overcome heroin (or other opiate) addictions, in which methadone (another opiate) is used to address the withdrawal syndrome the patient would normally have if s/he suddenly stopped taking drugs outright. Withdrawal in this text would simply refer to 'taking away' the methadone treatment. That may very possibly lead to the patient enduring opiate withdrawal symptoms/syndrome, but the syndrome isn't what's being referred to here. The idea is that 'taking away' the treatment is a consequence of the patient's failure to comply with the program conditions, but they wouldn't say "we will punish you with withdrawal syndrome if you fail to comply with the conditions".
NinaEF Jul 11, 2011:
a sagitario Perdona - me acabo de dar cuenta que lo tuyo era una respuesta, no la duda inicial. ¡Que tonta!
Michael Powers (PhD) Jul 11, 2011:
cerrar la pregunta Sagitario, es posible que yo no tenga razón. Si Álvaro y Isabel creen que está bien el uso de "retirada" en este contexto, puede ser que sí. Además de saber mucho, es su lengua madre. Si quires, cierra la pregunta y usa lo que pensaste. Es mi sugerencia. Puedes usar "quash" y decir que ya encontraste la respuesta en otra parte. O, si no estás convencido, esperamos para ver que dicen nuestros colegas.
NinaEF Jul 11, 2011:
otra posible lectura Podría también referirse al hecho de que ya no le van a proporcionar la metadona dado que ha sido expulsado del programa, no a lo que va a sufrir como consecuencia de la expulsión.
moken Jul 11, 2011:
Agree with sagitario ¿Te puedes dar tú mismo/a los puntos? ;O) ;O)
isabelmurill (X) Jul 11, 2011:
a mí también! :)
anademahomar Jul 11, 2011:
A mi me parece muy bien, Sagitario

Proposed translations

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de la retirada de la metadona de la retirada (de la metadona)

de la retirada de la metadona:
He estado a ambos lados de la retirada, la heroína y la metadona, todo paciente de heroína te dirá lo mismo, como te lo digo; puedo dejar de tomarla en ...
Adicción a la Heroína - NARCONON
espanol.narconon.org › Informacion sobre Drogas - En cachéLa Tolerancia, La Adicción y la Retirada. La Heroína mata ...
Mostrar más resultados de narconon.org
[PDF] Protocolo de Metadona
www.esecarisma.gov.co/www/images/download/protocolo_metadon... de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
NIVELES PLASMÁTICOS DE METADONA. 11. 10. VIAJAR CON METADONA. 12. 11. EXTRADOSIS. 12. 12. RETIRADA DE METADONA. 13. 13. INTOXICACIÓN CON METADONA ...
Terapia de sustitución: Metadona - gTt-VIH
gtt-vih.org/aprende/.../terapia_de_sustitucion_metadona - En caché26 Abr 2010 – El objetivo es evitar un posible síndrome de retirada de la METADONA. Para ello la dosis se establece individualmente, según las necesidades ...
Lucha contra la adicción de abuso de metadona de retirada pruebas ...
nuestrosalud.com/.../Fighting_Withdrawal_Methado... - España - En cachéLos síntomas de retirada de metadona incluyen alumnos dilatados, irritabilidad, dolor de estómago, fiebre, sudoración, mucosidad y ojos y náuseas. ...

Saludos,
eski :))


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Note added at 41 mins (2011-07-11 18:36:48 GMT)
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Sorry for the above TYPO; S:agitario14- my post should read:

"la retirada (de la metadona)"

eski :))



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Note added at 14 days (2011-07-25 18:05:37 GMT) Post-grading
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Many thanks (again) to Sagitario 14 and to my peers for your kind consideration.

eski :))
Peer comment(s):
agree anademahomar : Estoy más de acuerdo con "retirada" que con "abandono" pues no es a opción del paciente sino del Programa
40 mins
Gracias por tu confirmación y & muchos saludos desde Acapulco, Ana. eski
agree Kornelia Berceo-Schneider : También me gusta retirada. Saludos a tu paraíso, Eski!
2 hrs
Gracias por tu confirmación y & muchos saludos desde la bella Bahia de Sta. Lucia, Kornelia. eski
agree Michelle Wolfson : I'm going with this option. It's all about context!
11 hrs
Hi & thanks Michelle: Totally agree: greetings from Mexico! eski :))
agree liz askew : "retirada", although when I suggested "retirarse" in another question, it was ignored as an answer.
13 hrs
Hi liz: Thanks for your confirmation & have a nice day: eski :))
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+1
4 mins

sindome de abstinencia

y padecer del síndrome de abstinencia ...

Mike



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Note added at 10 mins (2011-07-11 18:05:36 GMT)
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Quite often "withdrawal" is "retirada". When it is a psychologicl withdrawl from, then it is "retraimiento de".

In this particular case, since he was terminated involuntarily and thus is going to feel the withrawal pain from more more methandone, it seems to me that the most appropriate way to translate this chemical dependency is "síndrome de abstinencia".

This is simply my suggestion based on our context.

Mike
Peer comment(s):
agree eski : http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Síndrome_de_abstinencia Yep: Saludos, Mike: eski :))
30 mins
Thank you eski, y saludos a ti, también - Mike
neutral liz askew : I don't agree. This is something else entirely: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3LmdbEV...
14 hrs
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+2
1 hr

abandono

Con el mismo significado que "retirada", pero personalmente prefiero este término.

El abandono de la medicación asignada (11 estudios, 1.473 participantes) fue mayor con LAAM que con metadona, (RR 1.36, IC del 95% 1.07-1.73, p=0.001, NNT=7.7 (u 8)).
http://www.update-software.com/BCP/BCPGetDocument.asp?Docume...
¿Es más difícil abandonar la metadona que la heroína?
Cuando la dosis en términos farmacológicos es equivalente, los síntomas del abandono de la metadona y de la heroína son similares.
http://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2006111411394...
Peer comment(s):
agree Héctor Magaña : Me gusta. Creo que funciona mejor que retirada. Una duda para sagitario: ¿Con certeza es withdrawal off y no withdrawal of"?
4 mins
Gracias, Héctor.
agree Kornelia Berceo-Schneider
10 mins
Gracias, Kornelia.
neutral moken : No es intercambiable, porque no es el paciente el que abandona el tratamiento, sino el programa el que deja de facilitárselo. // No, el "off" podría ser "of" e incluso "from", pero no alteraría el hecho de quién interrumpe el programa. :O)
15 mins
En ese caso sería "of", no "off".
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1 hr

interrupción

Algunos ejemplos de las razones por las que los pacientes se retiran involuntariamente del Programa e interrumpen el consumo de metadona.........
Peer comment(s):
neutral moken : Com verb podría funcionar, pero en este caso los pacientes no se retiran, sino que otros (los administradores del programa, supongo) los retiran del programa e interrumpen el suministro de metadona. Tu estructura no funcionaría para este caso. :O)
13 mins
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+1
12 hrs

suspensión

Otra opción más.

www.fq.uh.cu/dpto/qf/uclv/quim_y_adic/.../METADONA.htm - CachedLos adictos desarrollan tolerancia sobre la acción de la metadona. El síndrome de abstinencia por suspensión de metadona, aunque es similar al de la morfina ...

www.q4q.nl/methwork/guidelines/.../frameguidelinesspa.htm - CachedSimilar
May 30, 2000 – Manual de Metadona. Annette Verster y Ernst Buning ...... para finalizar la suspensión de la prescripción de metadona en algunos programas. ...

Drogodependencias - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=8498351766...
Pedro Lorenzo Fernandez - 2009 - Medical - 741 pages
... en los que la suspensión de metadona se realiza contra la voluntad del paciente, los resultados son, normalmente, poco satisfactorios; por esto, ...
Peer comment(s):
agree Pilar Díez
1 hr
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Reference comments

14 hrs
Reference:

Methadone withdrawal

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