May 4, 2021 08:03
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English term
anticipate and prevent thy own heart
English
Art/Literary
Religion
Christian meditation
Now, following the arousal of your memory, judgment, and affections, apply your meditations to yourself to arouse your soul to duty and comfort and to restrain your soul from sin.56 As William Fenner (1600–1640) wrote, “Dive into thy own soul; ***anticipate and prevent thy own heart***. Haunt thy heart with promises, threatenings, mercies, judgments, and commandments. Let meditation trace [out] thy heart.”
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Robert Forstag
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| 3 +1 | explanation below |
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| 4 -1 | anticipate and prevent are synonyms |
philgoddard
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Robert Forstag
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Translating words, preserving meaning
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Keep your inherent human sinfulness in check by constantly monitoring your inclination to sin. Habitually doing this will enable you to make a conscious decision to avoid sin when the opportunity arises.
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While admittedly wordy, repetitive, and inelegant, the two sentences above would appear to briefly expound the full meaning of the posted phrase.
I see "anticipate" and "prevent" as referring to two distinct concepts (the former referring to a kind of "ambient awareness" constantly maintained by the devout Christian, and the latter referring to their conscious decision to refrain from sinful conduct, and to do God's will).
Keep your inherent human sinfulness in check by constantly monitoring your inclination to sin. Habitually doing this will enable you to make a conscious decision to avoid sin when the opportunity arises.
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While admittedly wordy, repetitive, and inelegant, the two sentences above would appear to briefly expound the full meaning of the posted phrase.
I see "anticipate" and "prevent" as referring to two distinct concepts (the former referring to a kind of "ambient awareness" constantly maintained by the devout Christian, and the latter referring to their conscious decision to refrain from sinful conduct, and to do God's will).
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Comment: "Thank you!"
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AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
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Sensible solutions
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explanation below
conrol your own emotions by anticipating them in advance so that you prevent yourself from doing anything other than God's will
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Helena Chavarria
: Restrain your soul from sin https://books.google.es/books?id=ADUSEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT14&lpg=PT...
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thanks
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Yvonne Gallagher
: yes, it's quite clearly about self-control and restraint
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Thanks!!!
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philgoddard
: No, it doesn't mean control.
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it clearly means self-control
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philgoddard
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anticipate and prevent are synonyms
prevent
4archaic
a: to be in readiness for (something, such as an occasion)
b: to meet or satisfy in advance
c: to act ahead of
d: to go or arrive before
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prevent
This shows how the meaning has changed:
I thought of Steve Finan, the decimate complainer in the Stroppy Editor post, this morning as the choir sang William Byrd's "Prevent us, O Lord" at the offertory: "Prevent us, O Lord, in all our doings with thy most gracious favor. …"
I wondered if Mr. Finan would carry on about the way people misuse prevent to mean "impede" rather than "precede." After all, the etymology is quite clear. The English word comes from the Latin praevenire, literally "to come before," "to anticipate." We know that Augustine, Aquinas, the Council of Trent, and the thirty-Nine Articles all support the concept of prevenient grace, which comes before the free determination of the will.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/mcintyre/bal-...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-05-04 11:31:25 GMT)
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I used to be in a church choir, and we would sing "prevent us O lord in all our doings". I wondered why we were asking him to stop us from doing anything, until it was explained that "prevent" meant "go before".
4archaic
a: to be in readiness for (something, such as an occasion)
b: to meet or satisfy in advance
c: to act ahead of
d: to go or arrive before
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prevent
This shows how the meaning has changed:
I thought of Steve Finan, the decimate complainer in the Stroppy Editor post, this morning as the choir sang William Byrd's "Prevent us, O Lord" at the offertory: "Prevent us, O Lord, in all our doings with thy most gracious favor. …"
I wondered if Mr. Finan would carry on about the way people misuse prevent to mean "impede" rather than "precede." After all, the etymology is quite clear. The English word comes from the Latin praevenire, literally "to come before," "to anticipate." We know that Augustine, Aquinas, the Council of Trent, and the thirty-Nine Articles all support the concept of prevenient grace, which comes before the free determination of the will.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/mcintyre/bal-...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-05-04 11:31:25 GMT)
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I used to be in a church choir, and we would sing "prevent us O lord in all our doings". I wondered why we were asking him to stop us from doing anything, until it was explained that "prevent" meant "go before".
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AllegroTrans
: I respectfully disagree - the passage suggests to me that you first anticipate (by meditation & discernment & what is your specific sinfulness) then work to prevent (sin) and you cannot prevent sthg unless you have firstly anticipated that you wish to do
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It doesn't say anything about sin! I don't know where you get that from. The object of the sentence is "heart", not "sin". .
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Reference comments
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Helena Chavarria
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My old Oxford Dictionary gives 'forestall' as a definition of 'anticipate', which I think could work here.
1. to prevent the normal trading in by buying or diverting goods or by persuading persons to raise prices
forestalling the wheat harvest and selling it at three times its cost
— G. B. Shaw
2. archaic : INTERCEPT
3. obsolete : OBSTRUCT, BESET
4. to exclude, hinder, or prevent by prior occupation or measures
Negotiations failed to forestall the conflict.
5. to get ahead of : ANTICIPATE
detailed explanations intended to forestall questions
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forestall
'forestall and prevent your heart from sinning'
1. to prevent the normal trading in by buying or diverting goods or by persuading persons to raise prices
forestalling the wheat harvest and selling it at three times its cost
— G. B. Shaw
2. archaic : INTERCEPT
3. obsolete : OBSTRUCT, BESET
4. to exclude, hinder, or prevent by prior occupation or measures
Negotiations failed to forestall the conflict.
5. to get ahead of : ANTICIPATE
detailed explanations intended to forestall questions
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forestall
'forestall and prevent your heart from sinning'
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Yvonne Gallagher
: yes, I think "intercept" is even better here as you're trying to prevent in advance=anticipate. "forestall" is also good//Thanks yes. 1st jab done, 2nd on 15th. Looking forward to restrictions easing. And you?
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Thank you, Yvonne. I hope you're well.//We're fine, thanks. Just the usual ups and downs of everyday life.
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AllegroTrans
: OK, but you can only "forestall" once you have firstly "anticipated"; cart before horse
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I suggested the word as I thought it could be useful for one of the terms. I think the phrase means realise in advance what could happen, then stop yourself from doing it. In other words: realise the sin in advance, then stop yourself from committing it
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