Sep 27, 2022 15:21
1 yr ago
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French term

staurothèque

French to English Art/Literary Religion Mediaeval reliquaries
Bonjour, je traduis un texte sur l'art religieux du Moyen Âge et tombe sur ce terme. Je n'ai trouvé que staurotheke comme traduction, ce qui ne me satisfait pas. Il n'y a pas vraiment de contexte, c'est plutôt une légende. Clairement; l'image montre un reliquaire avec une croix enluminée dessus, dont je sais ce que c'est, mais le terme officiel en anglais.

Très obscure, j'avoue .... si vous pouvez m'aider tant mieux !!
Proposed translations (English)
4 +8 staurotheke

Discussion

philgoddard Sep 28, 2022:
Thanks, Allegro.
Anastasia Kalantzi Sep 28, 2022:
@AllegroTrans Absolutely right. I am in awe of your courtesy!
AllegroTrans Sep 28, 2022:
Judith I have now hidden my answer because clearly Phil has come up with the right word - maybe obscure - but it is definitely correct. You should close the question and award him the points as that is how the site works. HTH.
ph-b (X) Sep 28, 2022:
judithr, Re: "I just don't know who to give the points to, because everyone contributed. Any ideas ?"

KudoZ rules provide that you reward the contribution you found "most helpful".
judithr (asker) Sep 27, 2022:
Misunderstanding In fact there's a misunderstanding, I just don't know who to give the points to, because everyone contributed. Any ideas ?
philgoddard Sep 27, 2022:
Judith I think it's basic courtesy to choose an answer and award points. You say you're not satisfied with "staurotheke", but you haven't explained why.
Emmanuella Sep 27, 2022:

Proposed translations

+8
23 mins
Selected

staurotheke

staurotheke (plural staurothekes)
A reliquary containing fragments of the True Cross
http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/staurotheke

I would follow it with a definition, since no one will know what it means.
Note from asker:
Inclined to agree (see my previous comment). Thanks.
I can't really grade these answers - they are all part of the big picture ! Thanks to everyone!
Peer comment(s):

agree Anastasia Kalantzi
5 mins
neutral Emmanuella : https://www.collinsdictionary.com/jp/submission/24468/stauro...
10 mins
agree liz askew : https://www.holyart.co.uk/religious-items/sacred-icons/ancie...
10 mins
agree Samuël Buysschaert : Could maybe also use the latin word "Staurotheca" in relation to Middle Ages and the Church (with a footnote or definition as you mentioned)
11 mins
agree Cyril Tollari
4 hrs
agree ezpz
4 hrs
agree ph-b (X) : Yes, but no definition needed just because "no one will know what it means": any intelligent reader finding a word they don't understand will look it up. No dumbing-down, please.
12 hrs
What's the point of making your readers reach for the dictionary? Your job is to make their lives as easy as possible. But thanks for agreeing.
agree AllegroTrans : This is correct and you should receive the points. I would not add a definition or translator's note to this - the word is there on the web to be found.
16 hrs
agree SafeTex : What else could it be. When you have two similar and very uncommon words in two different languages and two definitions that are very close, you don't waste time looking for alternatives
4 days
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Reference comments

27 mins
Reference:

stauros “cross” and theke “container”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limburg_Staurotheke

The Limburg Staurotheke (from Greek, stauros “cross” and theke “container”) is an example of a Byzantine reliquary, one of the best surviving examples of Byzantine enamel, in the cloisonné technique. It was made sometime in the mid to late 10th century in Constantinople. The box measures 48 centimeters by 35 centimeters and has a depth of 6 centimeters. This reliquary design was common in Byzantium beginning in the 9th century.[1] It was probably brought to Germany as loot from the Fourth Crusade, and is now in the diocesan museum of Limburg an der Lahn in Hesse, Germany.

The Limburg Staurotheke consists of two parts that were made at separate times. The removable, double-armed cross was made first and holds seven fragments of the True Cross in the middle of the cross where its main set of arms meets.[2] The cross is made out of sycamore wood and is entirely covered in gilded silver and embellished with gemstones and pearls. Inscribed on the back of the cross is the following verse:[3]

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Note added at 42 λεπτά (2022-09-27 16:03:33 GMT)
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You're most welcome. Have a nice evening ahead and a healthy and peaceful wintertime!
Note from asker:
Thanks, that confirms the unfolding solution
I can't really grade these answers - they are all part of the big picture ! Thanks to everyone!
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree ezpz
4 hrs
Thanks, ezpz.
agree AllegroTrans
22 hrs
Thanks, Allegro.
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