Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

senza mai essere sorti prima

Russian translation:

хотя мы никогда не были едины (буквально "хотя до этого мы ни разу не рождались")

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Apr 28, 2010 17:16
14 yrs ago
Italian term

senza mai essere sorti prima

Italian to Russian Other Media / Multimedia
Viviamo in un incantesimo storico chiamato Risorgimento senza mai essere sorti prima e stiamo per entrare in un altro, quello della Padania, un'entità mai esistita.
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May 2, 2010 19:57: Natalie changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (3): Assiolo, Irena Pizzi, Natalie

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Proposed translations

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хотя мы никогда не были едины (буквально "хотя до этого мы ни разу не рождались")

C'è un gioco di parole: sorgere - risorgere (>Risorgimento). Risorgere vuol dire nascere una seconda volta. Non siamo mai sorti, cioè non siamo mai nati, quindi come si può dire che siamo risorti, come si fa a chiamare questo periodo Risorgimento?
Как можно говорить о Возрождении, если мы вообще никогда не рождались?
Però c'è un problema: in russo "Risorgimento" si traduce non "Возрождение" (quello è Rinascimento), ma "эпоха Воссоединения Италии". Perciò, per rendere il gioco di parole, la traduzione alla lettera non va bene, ci vuole qualcosa del tipo "период, называемый/который мы называем эпохой Воссоединения, хотя мы никогда не были едины".
Così in ogni caso il pensiero non viene espresso fino in fondo, ma è l'unica soluzione.

Suggerimento: classifichi le sue domande come PRO, perché per non-PRO si intendono facili, alla portata di chiunque, dove non ci vogliono particolari conoscenze lunguistiche. Qui bisogna conoscere bene non solo la lingua, ma anche la storia, saper leggere tra le righe, tradurre giochi di parole, mettere in ordine pensieri sconnessi...

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quelle facili
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хотя до этого мы никогда не возрождались

необходим также контекст, речь идет о новом возрождении, о национально-освободительном движении в Италии (от sorgere - risorgimento)
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из которого (периода) мы еще не выходили

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