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| Is it used somewhere else on the platform? | Oct 29, 2023 |
Zea_Mays wrote:
@Giovanni: KudoZ, not entire platform
If you are referring to ChatGPT and the platform is ProZ, I'm not aware of other uses of ChatGPT on Proz?
[Edited at 2023-10-29 12:29 GMT]
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Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
I'm not aware of other uses of ChatGPT on Proz?
I think it’s being used in the coding (surge in bugs) and moderation (removal of legit posts), plus in the new monthly membership thing.
| | | | | No takers, I guess | Oct 31, 2023 |
Unless I have missed it, no one here has asked for the link to the meeting that I scheduled to discuss this topic.
I'm not sure how it can be that there is such energy to communicate here, but no appetite to speak in person. (I know most people are busy, but not even one person?) I guess maybe this is not that big of a deal after all.
Go ahead and have your last word here, folks, if you have something left to say. Then I'll retire the topic. Thank you.
| | | | | I should add... | Oct 31, 2023 |
I do agree with Jennifer Levey's points. My own inclination is to think about ways to make adjustments to help our members leverage this new tool that is AI.
In other words, when it comes to how we ought to respond to AI, I remain in the "use it" camp. Nothing said here has persuaded me to join the "criticize it" camp.
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Becca Resnik 
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Henry Dotterer wrote:
Unless I have missed it, no one here has asked for the link to the meeting that I scheduled to discuss this topic.
I'm not sure how it can be that there is such energy to communicate here, but no appetite to speak in person. (I know most people are busy, but not even one person?) I guess maybe this is not that big of a deal after all.
Go ahead and have your last word here, folks, if you have something left to say. Then I'll retire the topic. Thank you.
I said my piece multiple times and in multiple ways in related threads and had to step away for my own sanity. I was unaware that no one contacted you privately about meeting, so – perhaps against my better judgement (I'm beyond strapped for time) – I'd like to volunteer to meet with you, lest implied or perceived "silence" on the part of us members lead to the permanent inclusion of AI in KudoZ. Please contact me with the meeting details.
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Becca Resnik wrote:
I said my piece multiple times and in multiple ways in related threads and had to step away for my own sanity. I was unaware that no one contacted you privately about meeting, so – perhaps against my better judgement (I'm beyond strapped for time) – I'd like to volunteer to meet with you, lest implied or perceived "silence" on the part of us members lead to the permanent inclusion of AI in KudoZ. Please contact me with the meeting details.
Thanks, Becca! I'm sending you the meeting link. I see that we have some things in common and I look forward to speaking!
| | | | | Late to the party | Oct 31, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
Unless I have missed it, no one here has asked for the link to the meeting that I scheduled to discuss this topic.
I'm not sure how it can be that there is such energy to communicate here, but no appetite to speak in person. (I know most people are busy, but not even one person?) I guess maybe this is not that big of a deal after all.
Go ahead and have your last word here, folks, if you have something left to say. Then I'll retire the topic. Thank you.
The thing is, Henry, you've come rather late to the party. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the specific issue of ChatGPT in KudoZ was discussed extensively and in depth on these forums long before you got here.
Likewise, the more general issue of how translators should view the latest developments in AI has also been discussed over the last few months, at great length and with contributions from a wide range of points of view, most of which are worthy of serious consideration.
All these discussions have been on the ProZ forums, which is the right place for them. If you're really interested in other people's views, they are there for you to read. One of these discussion topics was even initiated by you, although it was hampered by being in "Restricted" format, which may have put some people off posting.
Here are a couple more to get you going:
- Consider the consequences of AI before you start a career in translation
- No need for human translation?
And here's one I started myself.
A search of the forums will find more.
After you've read through these, and any others that may catch your attention, if you think you have anything new and original to say on the subject, I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.
On the other hand, I fear that asking people to trudge once again over already well-trodden fields just to satisfy your urge for a zoom call is unlikely to garner much of a response.
Apart from anything else, It's very clear that the opinions expressed here by many contributors are going to be ignored by you and the rest of the ProZ administration, as evidenced by your complete lack of response to recent comments and questions. So please, just get on with it and drop this feeble pretence at consultation.
Unless you would care to prove me wrong.
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TOPIC STARTER | The reason why | Oct 31, 2023 |
You seem to be quite output be the lack of response to your scheduled meeting, Henry.
I won't participate because I'm disillusioned and disappointed in your lack of response to any of our very concise questions and comments.
The opinion expressed here in this thread is very clear and I don't have anything to add.
By the way, no one has responded to Philip's call to all those in favour of ChatGPT on KudoZ. And the disastrous comments on the bot's answers continue.
... See more You seem to be quite output be the lack of response to your scheduled meeting, Henry.
I won't participate because I'm disillusioned and disappointed in your lack of response to any of our very concise questions and comments.
The opinion expressed here in this thread is very clear and I don't have anything to add.
By the way, no one has responded to Philip's call to all those in favour of ChatGPT on KudoZ. And the disastrous comments on the bot's answers continue.
See the following links to get a gist if you haven't checked theses comments yet (and there are many more):
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-french/furniture-household-appliances/7157734-fuel-burning-dish.html?phpv_redirected=1
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-german/games-video-games-gaming-casino/7155634-top-dog.html?phpv_redirected=1
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/food-drink/7158826-tafelobst.html?phpv_redirected=1
But anyway: All this won't change your decision - just like the arguments in the thread about the inclusive (restrictive) format (to quote you when you closed that thread: "Obviously we don't have any intention of getting rid of the format").
It's your website, so go ahead and do whatever you want. But stop pretending it's for the benefit of professional translators. You will upset and lose many loyal members and contribute to the deterioration of the image of our profession. So be it. ▲ Collapse
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| You gotta be kidding | Oct 31, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
Unless I have missed it, no one here has asked for the link to the meeting that I scheduled to discuss this topic.
I'm not sure how it can be that there is such energy to communicate here, but no appetite to speak in person. (I know most people are busy, but not even one person?) I guess maybe this is not that big of a deal after all.
Go ahead and have your last word here, folks, if you have something left to say. Then I'll retire the topic. Thank you.
That’s a bit rich. You’re the one who wanted the meeting, so I was expecting you to publish the link here.
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| @Proz: become professional! | Oct 31, 2023 |
My experience here at Proz saddens.
They don't really listen - otherwise they wouldn't confuse criticism of AI in general with criticism of ChatGPT in KudoZ. Do you see the difference, do you?
They have a DIY approach which constantly leads to subpar solutions made perhaps by some friend,
and when they get feedback from their PAYING CLIENTS, every time their behaviour is the same:
"We only care about our own idea as it's the best in the world, you stupid guys can... See more My experience here at Proz saddens.
They don't really listen - otherwise they wouldn't confuse criticism of AI in general with criticism of ChatGPT in KudoZ. Do you see the difference, do you?
They have a DIY approach which constantly leads to subpar solutions made perhaps by some friend,
and when they get feedback from their PAYING CLIENTS, every time their behaviour is the same:
"We only care about our own idea as it's the best in the world, you stupid guys can say what you want,
but we will stick to our homemade stuff even if no one likes it or if it does not work".
The same applies to their translation contest. Never saw such an unprofessional approach.
Their totalitarian behaviour regarding opinions they don't like is also the same every time: they just lock the related thread.
As burying one's head in the sand has ever helped. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Zea_Mays
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| let nature take its course | Oct 31, 2023 |
People will eventually just stop using that subpar AI implementation in KudoZ.
It's not the first time that at Proz they insisted on a useless gimmick which finally just gets ignored by users.
It's just sad they don't recognise the value of KudoZ, and what they are going to destroy.
And who wonders why there is no interest in attending their meeting when their position is already predetermined?
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| | | | | Gotta be in it to win it | Oct 31, 2023 |
Zea_Mays wrote:
People will eventually just stop using that subpar AI implementation in KudoZ.
It's not the first time that at Proz they insisted on a useless gimmick which finally just gets ignored by users.
It's just sad they don't recognise the value of KudoZ, and what they are going to destroy.
And who wonders why there is no interest in attending their meeting when their position is already predetermined?
Maybe they're hoping people will put their money where their mouth is rather than sniping from the sidelines? If it matters that much to you, why not seize this opportunity?
If Henry puts a link up, and I'm available, I will pop along. Why not? It'd nice to be able to talk in real time without a muzzle.
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ibz
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TOPIC STARTER | And just one last remark ... | Oct 31, 2023 |
... as this thread will be closed very shortly:
Henry Dotterer wrote:
I do agree with Jennifer Levey's points. My own inclination is to think about ways to make adjustments to help our members leverage this new tool that is AI.
In other words, when it comes to how we ought to respond to AI, I remain in the "use it" camp. Nothing said here has persuaded me to join the "criticize it" camp.
You still don't get it or don't want to get it. The title of this thread is "Please remove ChatGPT from KudoZ", it is not "Please remove AI from everywhere".
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The lengths you are prepared to go to in your determination to alienate the very 'folks' who have helped you make Proz.com one of the premier translator/interpreter portals on the entire web never ceases to amaze me.
Do you recall having read, marked, learned and inwardly digested what ... See more The lengths you are prepared to go to in your determination to alienate the very 'folks' who have helped you make Proz.com one of the premier translator/interpreter portals on the entire web never ceases to amaze me.
Do you recall having read, marked, learned and inwardly digested what I wrote here: https://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_suggestions/363811-please_remove_chatgpt_option_from_kudoz-page9.html#3016681 ?
I know it's considered bad form to quote oneself, but let me jog your memory:
I wrote:
The single most most constructive “event” that you can organise in relation to the topic of this thread will take the form an instruction to your staff that ChatGPT must be removed from Kudoz forthwith.
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If you’re lucky, you might find that some of us who have contributed to this thread would be willing to contribute to a sincere attempt on your part to salvage what’s worth salvaging from this ignominious episode in Proz's otherwise respectable existence.
But for that to happen, at least as far as I'm concerned, you’ll first need to trigger the “event” mentioned in my first paragraph.
When you announced the Google Meet I reviewed my position on the matter and decided that since the Chat-in-Kudoz 'tool' was still active I would not ask for an invite. Also, there was no indication that your meeting would take the form of a 'post mortem', nor that you were open to hearing anything that might run counter to your own predetermined views on the matter.
Later, in apparent recognition of my small contribution to this thread, you wrote:
I do agree with Jennifer Levey's points.
OK - but only those of my 'points' that suit your purpose, your agenda it seems.
If you are genuinely interested in knowing what other 'points' I have in mind that might help you mitigate the damage done by your self-inflicted Chat/Kudoz disaster, please feel free to send me an invite to that meeting.
Please note, however, that I will accept such invite only if the ChatGPT option has first been eliminated from the Kudoz interface.
When I hit 'submit' on this present post, there will remain less than 4 hours before the start of the Google Meet you have scheduled for today at noon (GMT-4). Tic-toc. Tic-toc. Tic- ....
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| | | | Metin Demirel
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| Popular Front | Oct 31, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
I remain in the "use it" camp. Nothing said here has persuaded me to join the "criticize it" camp.
Oh, I thought we were the Popular Front.
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